tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post6079171477635524077..comments2023-09-02T07:59:55.010-07:00Comments on The Bottom Line: The Piper Warren Interview (Part 1)Cameron Buettelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13217501740084187739noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-50801045931872679892011-06-08T05:17:50.555-07:002011-06-08T05:17:50.555-07:00Re Piper Ameraldism, Whilst I don't necessaril...Re Piper Ameraldism, Whilst I don't necessarily endorse all that is in this recording (its been a long while since I listened to it)...it has a lengthy audio quote of Piper on the atonement...start listening at 7.11 <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5T7CkSbpOs<br /><br />Correct me if I'm wrong - but he does de-cloak his position on unlimited atonement... Anyway all this pales into insignificance on the belief for Righteousness front. I've also read Piper, and he does not promote any freedom from sin in this life - because he doesn't think its possible!. This is why he redefines election ...from the limited atonement of the elect (who have been transformed by the word, blameless, holy, and not living in sin) to be rather subject to the Arminian evangelical obedience... forgiveness after the fact treadmill - because in his mind the will and this obedience is what saves you to qualify for Future Grace - as he states so clearly in the book "Future Grace" - not self loathing, fear of the flesh, fear of sin consequences, remorse, repentance and lastly belief for the very Righteousness of God through daily regeneration!. Here are some snapshots on the "Future Grace" front ..<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kis5rFlHKoI&feature=grec_index<br /><br />Piper has a murky set of theology more at home in Fuller Suminary than in the words of the Apostle Paul as enshrined in the KJV...<br /><br />As you have picked up - I have a very large axe to grind with all silo theology - because it and its practices have strayed so far from the major themes of the new testament "word cloud" it is not funny (I include Reformed, Baptist, Pentecostal, Weslean, you name it!). <br /><br />The bottom line is that reproving the world of Sin, Judgement and of Righteousness is not popular and wont contribute to growth - so it is ignored in favor of a message of forgiveness without Righteousness and false assurance of salvation. <br /><br />I believe we have a lot more in common that you might think!<br /><br />With all Respect and good faith..<br />DaveDavidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-13046243325723495332011-06-07T15:15:11.979-07:002011-06-07T15:15:11.979-07:00Also, though Warren is a huge promoter of himself ...Also, though Warren is a huge promoter of himself I would never put Piper in that category. And I see no evidence of him being in it for the money. Though Warren galavants around the world telling anyone and everyone about how much he tithes and how humble he is, few people know that Piper lives in a very modest house in one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis.Cameron Buettelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217501740084187739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-5481147029449712442011-06-07T12:10:07.766-07:002011-06-07T12:10:07.766-07:00David, I am very upset about what Piper has done -...David, I am very upset about what Piper has done - shattered actually. I have read four of his books and heard many of his sermons. I would contend that he has had a profound influence on my understanding of the character and nature of God. It is Piper who was the first to actually persuade me on all five points. David, Piper got this one wrong - very wrong. But if you are going to make such strong accusations against Piper, in all fairness you should at least back your claims by quoting Piper himself. Having read four of his books - Desiring God, Pleasures of God, Brothers We Are Not Professionals, Preaching The Cross - I know that some of your claims are false. Especially your claims that he teaches righteousness by works and is a four point Calvinist/Amereldian.Cameron Buettelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217501740084187739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-63400163396531636622011-06-07T12:02:15.224-07:002011-06-07T12:02:15.224-07:00I don't think he needs anyone to defend him, b...I don't think he needs anyone to defend him, but I thought I would just answer a couple statements. <br /><br />He doesn't seem to want to sell books, because all his books are free (and you can download them at Desiring God).<br /><br />Obviously he's not Jesus. Piper won't save anyone. We are dead to sin because of God, not because of what anyone says. <br /><br />And I wouldn't describe Warren as a "righteousness by works" guru. <br /><br />That's all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862792433724690188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-41914105654111556392011-06-07T03:45:26.990-07:002011-06-07T03:45:26.990-07:00Cameron,
This is not so much about Warren as it i...Cameron,<br /><br />This is not so much about Warren as it is Piper - why do you give any credence to him? Indeed this interview is all about the chameleon with the wolf in sheep's clothing. There is no way that a Gospel loving "Righteousness by faith" seeking man would have anything to do with either of them! They are both Righteousness by works / evangelical obedience gurus! Don't you ever ask yourself why Piper should have any credibility as all with these antics? - he is a 4 point Ameraldite, Pios Fraud?? Separately, they are both wannabe theologial rock stars who wanna sell books and be seen at all the big events...<br /><br />Lets be honest - has anything Piper has ever said assisted you in achieving the purity and Righteousness of Jesus Christ on an ongoing daily basis over years of experience? Are you dead to sin and living no longer therein by virtue of a Piper saying?<br /><br />I'm sure you will say no, because he denies its possible and prefers to promote self righteous piety..I've seen what his fraudulent doctrines do to people.<br /><br />Respectfully<br />DavidDavidnoreply@blogger.com