tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post5575041664001714690..comments2023-09-02T07:59:55.010-07:00Comments on The Bottom Line: Homosexuals Need To Stop Imposing Their Values On Kirk Cameron (Part 1)Cameron Buettelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13217501740084187739noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-90859781925294139752013-02-14T16:19:59.486-08:002013-02-14T16:19:59.486-08:00To any closeted LGBT folks out there:
There is no...To any closeted LGBT folks out there:<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with your sexuality, any shame you feel is just a cultural thing, you can let it go and be loved for who you are.TommyWounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-9827517585483573842012-03-13T16:27:03.549-07:002012-03-13T16:27:03.549-07:00Hi Dav0 and Liz
Been reading your comments re hom...Hi Dav0 and Liz<br /><br />Been reading your comments re homosexuals and prior abuse suffered. I can't agree Dav0 that most have in fact been the victim of some sort of abuse and like Liz, would be interested to know where you got that information from, as I could very well be wrong, and am happy to be. I have a background of working with sex offenders in a treatment capacity, and it is a popular misconception that many of these offenders have been abused themselves, as children. However, whilst there may be some/many who have experienced abuse of some kind in their life, this is not a risk factor for them to become an abuser, based on the fact that there are many others who have also been abused as children and do not go on to be offenders. In addition, females experience abuse at comparable rates to males, yet sex offences seem to be a predominantly male offence (for the most part. I would think this is the same for those who claim to be gay. <br /><br />This next part of my response is in general to the topic and not directed at you, Dav0 and Liz. As for homosexuality, I struggle to reconcile this debate in my own mind. Whilst the bible is very clear on its position regarding homosexuality, are we not called to love anyway? Is it not God's kindness that leads us to repentance? I think being wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove is possibly a good approach, as this is something, unfortunately, that "the church" fails at....dismally!! Is it any wonder that people in this group feel condemned and hated, it's ok to speak the truth to others, but why do we feel the need to deliver it in a manner that causes destruction to the person and subsequent dissention between groups. At the end of the day, these people are still people in desperate need of Jesus and his saving grace. So, how do our actions and words towards homosexuals impact their lives? We can see it, they hate us because we have taught them how we want to be treated. Yes, it is possible to love the sinner, but hate the sin, but we must be so careful as to how we are projecting that hate, because as it stands now it seems to be directly at those who identify as homosexual and not the lifestyle they choose.... fine line! <br /><br />I have a number of gay friends, one of whom I knew as a child and upon reflection I can honestly say that, for a number of reasons (which I'm not going to post here), perhaps he was born that way. What is it that attracts us to another person? And what/who is to say that perhaps in some people this has developed in a different way in their mind/body? How would you feel if someone said to you that heterosexuality is wrong and you must renounce that lifestyle and become gay? Or at least, never life that life again.... Take a moment out and really have a think about it, how would you honestly feel/react?? Sounds outrageous and totally unreasonable yeah? Well that's the way us Christians approach homosexuals.... That's God's job to bring them to that point, in his time and in his way. Only he can heal the broken pieces that will bring about that kind of change in the person, all we are called to do is be the vessel by which his love is shown. <br /><br />So... in our endeavours to spread the gospel and enlighten the lost as to their filthy, heathen ways.... be sure to do it saturated with love!!<br /><br />Love from Sue xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-67367062294397646502012-03-13T16:25:45.450-07:002012-03-13T16:25:45.450-07:00Hi Dav0 and Liz
Been reading your comments re hom...Hi Dav0 and Liz<br /><br />Been reading your comments re homosexuals and prior abuse suffered. I can't agree Dav0 that most have in fact been the victim of some sort of abuse and like Liz, would be interested to know where you got that information from, as I could very well be wrong, and am happy to be. I have a background of working with sex offenders in a treatment capacity, and it is a popular misconception that many of these offenders have been abused themselves, as children. However, whilst there may be some/many who have experienced abuse of some kind in their life, this is not a risk factor for them to become an abuser, based on the fact that there are many others who have also been abused as children and do not go on to be offenders. In addition, females experience abuse at comparable rates to males, yet sex offences seem to be a predominantly male offence (for the most part. I would think this is the same for those who claim to be gay. <br /><br />This next part of my response is in general to the topic and not directed at you, Dav0 and Liz. As for homosexuality, I struggle to reconcile this debate in my own mind. Whilst the bible is very clear on its position regarding homosexuality, are we not called to love anyway? Is it not God's kindness that leads us to repentance? I think being wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove is possibly a good approach, as this is something, unfortunately, that "the church" fails at....dismally!! Is it any wonder that people in this group feel condemned and hated, it's ok to speak the truth to others, but why do we feel the need to deliver it in a manner that causes destruction to the person and subsequent dissention between groups. At the end of the day, these people are still people in desperate need of Jesus and his saving grace. So, how do our actions and words towards homosexuals impact their lives? We can see it, they hate us because we have taught them how we want to be treated. Yes, it is possible to love the sinner, but hate the sin, but we must be so careful as to how we are projecting that hate, because as it stands now it seems to be directly at those who identify as homosexual and not the lifestyle they choose.... fine line! <br /><br />I have a number of gay friends, one of whom I knew as a child and upon reflection I can honestly say that, for a number of reasons (which I'm not going to post here), perhaps he was born that way. What is it that attracts us to another person? And what/who is to say that perhaps in some people this has developed in a different way in their mind/body? How would you feel if someone said to you that heterosexuality is wrong and you must renounce that lifestyle and become gay? Or at least, never life that life again.... Take a moment out and really have a think about it, how would you honestly feel/react?? Sounds outrageous and totally unreasonable yeah? Well that's the way us Christians approach homosexuals.... That's God's job to bring them to that point, in his time and in his way. Only he can heal the broken pieces that will bring about that kind of change in the person, all we are called to do is be the vessel by which his love is shown. <br /><br />So... in our endeavours to spread the gospel and enlighten the lost as to their filthy, heathen ways.... be sure to do it saturated with love!!Sue :0)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-73564581630290087312012-03-11T00:03:25.091-08:002012-03-11T00:03:25.091-08:00davo, it is a big generalisation to state that mos...davo, it is a big generalisation to state that most homosexuals were abused as children. My husband was sexually molested as a child by a neighbour and I recently discussed this generalisation with him. He said that he disagrees and believes men would be more likely to hate and steer clear from male relationships than find men attractive. My husband made it abundantly clear that he has never found men attractive nor does he think homosexuality to be a righteous lifestyle. Where do you get your facts from to back up your statement? Keen to hear.liznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-58509782861120214112012-03-09T04:16:32.369-08:002012-03-09T04:16:32.369-08:00Take your point regarding recasting this behavior ...Take your point regarding recasting this behavior as righteous, but buggery is actually no worse than theft or fraud actually. Most who practice other sins will also attempt also to justify their behavior - either way they all cause a man to forever die (no matter how small a sin), unless they are foreknown, predestined, called, & justified in Christ Jesus. What really matters is whether a sinful man on the hearing of the Gospel subsequently repents and believes daily for the Righteousness of God by the faith of Jesus Christ such that he forthwith becomes dead to sin. If they wont then God has left them to their own devices to defile and destroy each other. I will not deny them this choice, nor will God himself, moreover I am not commissioned of God to drive them out of the city either. In the most part, I actually feel sorry for homosexuals as most of them are the victim of child rape or sexual abuse of some form. For this they need understanding & acceptance as human beings, and the hearing of the real Gospel - not a self righteous message of conformity to the religious rule of law which they know they cannot follow in their own flesh.<br /><br />Regds<br />Dav0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-16544649114261680982012-03-09T04:16:03.865-08:002012-03-09T04:16:03.865-08:00Take your point regarding recasting this behavior ...Take your point regarding recasting this behavior as righteous, but buggery is actually no worse than theft or fraud actually. Most who practice other sins will also attempt also to justify their behavior - either way they all cause a man to forever die (no matter how small a sin), unless they are foreknown, predestined, called, & justified in Christ Jesus. What really matters is whether a sinful man on the hearing of the Gospel subsequently repents and believes daily for the Righteousness of God by the faith of Jesus Christ such that he forthwith becomes dead to sin. If they wont then God has left them to their own devices to defile and destroy each other. I will not deny them this choice, nor will God himself, moreover I am not commissioned of God to drive them out of the city either. In the most part, I actually feel sorry for homosexuals as most of them are the victim of child rape or sexual abuse of some form. For this they need understanding & acceptance as human beings, and the hearing of the real Gospel - not a self righteous message of conformity to the religious rule of law which they know they cannot follow in their own flesh.<br /><br />Regds<br />Dav0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com