tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post3206812107838869707..comments2023-09-02T07:59:55.010-07:00Comments on The Bottom Line: Church Creeds And Rob Bell's LiesCameron Buettelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13217501740084187739noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-84740044110869649602014-01-20T16:01:41.903-08:002014-01-20T16:01:41.903-08:00I am disappointed, very disappointed in fact, tha...I am disappointed, very disappointed in fact, that you call Francis of Assisi's comment "preach the gospel, use words when necessary," an oxymoron. Moreover your analogy in rebuking it is false<br /><br />Though I regard the man as a religious nut this was one of the wisest things he ever said<br /><br />What he meant was that we are to show by our lives that we have something worth saying. And then and only then when have we demonstrated that we have words that are worth anything, not just an excuse for ego indulgence, then are our words effective.<br /><br />After all the Bible said be slow to speak and quick to listen. the typical preacher and religious fanatic is not this. And scripture also says that the kingdom is not words but power. And St Paul also rebukes endless talkers and people who quarrel over words. (Incidentally what kind of words would Christians quarrel about? think about it)<br /><br />we protestants overdo words as they are all we have. But when that is the case they are but dead letter, unlived and therefore unbelieved by us; and we are hypocrites<br /><br />and over 35 years I have seen this repeatedly.<br /><br />when I am spiritual enough to live the gospel then I will be wise enough to use words ONLY when necessary. And they will in fact be used. "St" Francis was not denying this, if you care to reread his dictum. But they are not first and foremostSteve Meiklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-4804204716118563092014-01-20T15:49:37.314-08:002014-01-20T15:49:37.314-08:00Although creeds have their uses (I reject the NIce...Although creeds have their uses (I reject the NIcene Creed not because of what it says but because of its slight taint of Platonic thought with which it tried to express the truth) yet they can be dangerous.<br /><br />If a person devoutly repeats his creed every Sunday he will think he believes what it says. But will he then be open to conviction of sin as to unbelief? unbelief is a matter of the heart, not the head alone. Many people who think they believed because they assent to the creeds may be in for a shock as they were never led by the Spirit to acknowledge their deep and creed repressed unbelief to repent of it.<br /><br />For when the creed is recited out of legalism and formalism it is hypocrisy.<br /><br />Thus IMO creed usually do not produce faith they conceal unbeliefSteve Meiklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-58970390922746525092014-01-20T15:41:29.262-08:002014-01-20T15:41:29.262-08:00But we the Orthodox DO have the right doctrine but...But we the Orthodox DO have the right doctrine but are not living it, not when we are arrogant and quarrelsome.<br /><br />But of course Bell and Warren make a false dichotomy, Deeds not Creeds, when it should be Deeds AND Creeds.<br /><br />However our example, for centuries has been Creeds not Deeds, which makes hypocrites of us.<br /><br />But then I have always taken seriously the charge that the name of God is blasphemed among the gentiles because of US<br /><br />Put it this way: when sound doctrine is accompanied by hypocrisy (ie a simply lack of love will do), men will reject the sound doctrine rather than repent of the hypocrisy. they do this as being rebels against God they are looking for any excuse they can seize upon.<br /><br />But they do it because of their clear insight into who and what we are. We gave them the ammunition. And for this God will hold US responsible. Our creeds may be true but if that is all we have they are dead letter and worthless.<br /><br />The unbelievers are blind. But if we say we see our sin is all the more culpable and deep, just as that of the Pharisees was, who also claimed to see and who also had the most orthodox doctrine at that timeSteve Meiklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-56608203315822984142013-12-02T18:55:45.830-08:002013-12-02T18:55:45.830-08:00Cam, it's clear. Bell is a false teacher!! Sha...Cam, it's clear. Bell is a false teacher!! Shame on himSoldier of Kurioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05536142750464781271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-69929694473075559332013-08-31T02:35:59.392-07:002013-08-31T02:35:59.392-07:00THE CREED BOOK OR GOD'S BOOK?
The majority of...THE CREED BOOK OR GOD'S BOOK?<br /><br />The majority of denominations use their creed books as the authority in the church for faith and practice. If the final authority is the creed book(catechism), then what purpose would the Bible serve. The Bible is relegated to a secondary reference book.<br /><br />If the creed book is the authority. Why read the Bible? Why even own a Bible? There are some who say, we do not have a creed book, we a have statement of faith. Statement of faith is just a euphemistic way of saying creed book.<br /><br />If denominations claim to use the Bible as their rule for faith and practice, then there would is no need for a man-made creed book.<br /><br />Acts 17:10-11 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 There were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.<br /><br />The Berean's did not search the man-made creed books written by the scribes and elders, to substantiate the truth. The searched the Scriptures.<br /><br />Acts 17:2-3 Then Paul, as his custom was, went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."<br /><br />Paul did not use man-made creed books to teach about Jesus Christ. He reasoned from the Scriptures.<br /><br />The Pharisees and scribes liked to teach from the man-made creed books of the elders. (Mark 7:1-13....3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders....... 13 "making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.")<br /><br />The Pharisees used man-made creed books as their final authority.<br /><br />If denominations are using man-made creed books as there final authority for faith and practice, are they not making the word of God of no effect through their tradition?<br /><br />(Scripture: NKJV) YOU ARE INVITED TO FOLLOW MY CHRISTIAN BLOG. Bing search>>>steve finnell a christian viewSteve Finnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12863026367048527526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-1314661381291863702013-07-10T02:55:42.697-07:002013-07-10T02:55:42.697-07:00Cameron what do you have to say about this?
Torb...Cameron what do you have to say about this? <br /><br />Torben Sondergaard <br />http://baarsen.com/Torben/<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDOrrKxPepA<br /><br />John macarthur: Strange fire<br />http://www.gty.org/Blog/B130709<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-3348072587697801832013-06-30T18:50:51.095-07:002013-06-30T18:50:51.095-07:00there are two identical jesus Christ revelation 17...<br />there are two identical jesus Christ revelation 17:8. this is the 3 1/2 time period where the beast's identity is revealed to the Christians and catholics. revelation 17:8,15:2 and revelation 7:9,14<br /><br />my testimony is from the true living God. <br /><br /> <br /><br />the antichrist is the spirit of this world, the prince the power of the air. Revelation 16:13-14, Ephesians 2:2, Daniel 8:5, Revelation 13:18, 2 thessalonians 2:9-10. <br /><br /> <br /><br />millions of believers both Christians and catholics are being deceived by men preaching another gospel, another jesus Acts 20:26-30, Matthew 24:24. Satan is impersonating Christ to deceive men to prepare for revelation 19:19-20, revelation 16:14 and revelation 13:7-8, 16-18, Daniel 8:12-the word host means ministers. psalms 103:21.<br /><br />I am a witness to seeing ministers of the Vatican, churches, networks, organizations, etc. around the world following the identical jesus Christ which is the beast. <br /><br /> <br /><br />WE are that generation that Christ saw at the mount of temptation where satan is impersonating Christ to millions of people 2 Thessalonian 2:9 deceiving men and planting and building churches, beautiful sites to make congregation for worship and for spiritual warfare against the King of kings and Lord of lords. WE are that generation according to matthew chapter 24 when Christ told his disciples!<br /><br />2 Corinthians 11: 13-15! Satan is mindful of the things of man not of God. Isaiah 14:12-14, Luke 4:31-34- making buildings, people playing instruments with man's hands and singing for worship, etc. revelation 18:22-23<br /><br /> must watch and hear video on youtube titled, "Christ testimony of the churches -around the world." there are two identical Jesus Christ revelation 17:8. <br /><br /> most of revelation is happening in the spirit world. that's why Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah and Lot. the abomination of desolation is happening in the spirit realm inside all these man made buildings set up for worship. the Christians and catholics, etc are not aware of what's happening to them and around them in these places, (churches -any four wall building representing God to gather believers of Christ). these churches around the world are all connected to "The Great City" Revelation 11, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt and Mystery of iniquity. Church leaders around the world are searching of the earthly signs. this will not happen until the very last day and hour. God will not allow man to destroy the earth with nuclear bombs. read matthew 3:12 and Revelation 20:9. God sends his son to the earth with the fire behind him consuming all his enemies which are left from the resurrection of the dead and those that are alive. the body of Christ is gathered as the son of man appears at last sound of shofar, he is coming while the wheat are gathered and the tares are left as the chaff and earth is consumed by the fire of God.<br /><br />The true outpouring of the Holy Spirit of truth happens before the 5th shofar and 5th vial is poured. Revelation 7:3-4,13-14 Revelation 9:4! Joel 2:28-29-this happens in the homes of God's people and their family members (read Isaiah 26:20-21)! the people of God flee all man made churches, anything of the identical jesus christ movement. then Joel 2:30 which shows the aftermath of the sixth and fifth shofar sounds and fifth and sixth vial poured. then Joel 2:31-32 happens...<br /><br />what all revivals, signs and wonders happening in these churches, huge ministries around the world is revelation 16:14 and revelation 19:19-20, 2 thessalonians 2:9-10<br />this message is not a joke. this is not a game. I am telling the truth! God's people must come out of the identical jesus Christ movement NOW and seek God in prayer without ceasing and seek God's forgiveness and be washed in the blood of Jesus Christ!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-90787268198219043352013-06-29T20:22:36.100-07:002013-06-29T20:22:36.100-07:00Cameron off topic perhaps you can raise this issue...Cameron off topic perhaps you can raise this issue over at the master college? <br /><br />http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/john-macarthur-christs-eternal-sonship_08.html<br /><br />Not sure if the revised NKJV still have Dr Macarthur old position. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-73867195343661943262013-05-30T10:31:10.924-07:002013-05-30T10:31:10.924-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10949559056356681105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-22776994147149514722013-05-30T10:30:22.930-07:002013-05-30T10:30:22.930-07:00Good article Cameron --- When I review what was de...Good article Cameron --- When I review what was defined as “False Teaching” in the New Testament I find things like denying the resurrection, legalism (circumcision and food), and the inclusiveness of false gods amongst many others heresies. Rob Bell falls comfortably within this realm. He is not poking around the edge of heresy, but has embraced it whole heartedly. As Christians we must accept the fact that there is a thing called “False Teachers”. We must define what that means. We also must agree upon an unmovable standard otherwise nothing would be false and all things would be true. For those called to be Christian Pastors the obvious standard should be the Word of God and not societal norms. Yet in Rob’s most recent interview with Andrew Wilson on Premier Christian Radio, Rob clearly says that it is societal norms that are driving his theology.<br /><br />This is no different than 2000 years ago when there was pressure to practice Jewish legalism and proclaiming that Jesus never arose from the dead (Gnosticism) because He was spirit. This emergence that Rob Bell and others are participating in is having the opposite effect from the Reformation and there will be many casualties as this movement proceeds.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10949559056356681105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-51057703638015266762013-05-28T11:36:22.957-07:002013-05-28T11:36:22.957-07:00If you're going to quote me Mark you should at...If you're going to quote me Mark you should at least have the decency to to use something that I actually said.Cameron Buettelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217501740084187739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7670425954609557512.post-48757140591311081492013-05-26T20:37:46.637-07:002013-05-26T20:37:46.637-07:00"I'm right, you're wrong." - Cam..."I'm right, you're wrong." - Cameron Buettel. Yawn.Marknoreply@blogger.com